They take everything seriously, even when really drunk, they seldom will say or do something they do not mean. When they get to that point, it is the point of passing out. When you ask them a question, they will think about it for a long time before answering (sometimes as long as 20 minutes in a running conversation) and the answer will be very detailed and accurate -try asking for directions in Finland, you'll see what I mean- or they will simply refuse to answer because they don't have the time to think of the right one.
Finns do not believe there is such a thing as an uncomfortable silence. It is a good thing to learn. It is better to have someone with nothing better to say to shut up and to babble on.
Potential Boyfriend names:
AriAalto
Herkko
Janne
Jukka
Karri
Lasse
Lauri
Pekka
Eetu
Notice anything? They are all 2 syllables, usually with a repetition of one letter. I was joking with a Finnish friend that all the male names sound kind of the same... he smacked me on the head and pointed out that I was always getting the name of the fortress island (Suomilinna) with the name of this special shot (Salmari). Anyway, Finnish is an impossibly difficult language to learn but with very straight forward pronunciation. The syllables sound the way they look.
Four insights into Finnish Culture
Finnish Dogs
They are rather furry, generally well behaved, and do not bark. TBH, I didn't see that many around.Finnish Driving
Finland has some of the best Formula One drivers in the world. Finnish men know how to drive, they all rode their first moped when they turned 8, and I have heard stories of little boys being made to drive little go carts or motorcycles on a track even when they have barely learnt to walk. If your riding with a Finn, you can trust your life with him. I was half asleep on Jukka's motorbike (the upper half), and I'm still alive. In all Scandinavia, the fines are according to your income, after tax, so the richer you are, the more you are taxed. But it doesn't really matter because no one speeds anyway. They drive at the speed limit because it's the speed limit. They won't cross the road even if there are no cars going by because the light hasn't turned green.However, all rules go to shit when they are having a race. (I saw this on Top Gear, no shit) A group of Finns, including housewives, teenage girls, a retired old men and a little boy who has just grown tall enough to see over the dashboard take battered old cars from the 70's into the forest and have a race. The teenage girl beat one of the regular English drivers on Top Gear.
Finnish Theft
HUH? You don't even have to be afraid of the homeless drug addict lurking around in the park (unless it's the rapist park... apparently one of them in Helsinki has been dubbed exactly that). In Finland, and actually the rest of Scandinavia, everyone believes in making their own way in life, through honest means. It's so pervasive you start worrying if you are being as equal and honest with them as they are with you. Anyway theft is not necessary, the government is rich enough to take care of everyone, and anyway, Finland is not a materialistic society. Everyone is either comfortable or moderately rich.How to meet Him.
Good luck! I mean it. Finland, like most rich, atheistic, Western societies has a population with a high rate of casual partners, and you can guess how that happens despite the guys seemingly painful shyness for most of the week, with the exception of Fridays and Saturdays. All men are easy when they are drunk enough not to be self-conscious, and the Finns will drink till they are boderline comatose so they can approach a girl (I met two guys on the boat from Stockholm to Helsinki who told this to me as a reason why Finnish males drink so damn much). But don't worry, he'll buy his own drinks, you just have to wait till 4 a.m. before advancing.There is also the slow and steady way. Finns really appreciate friendships that will last, and if you have the time, you should take your time to get to know some Finnish guys over an extended period. Just ask them out here and there for a case of beer, or two, and sooner rather than later, you'll get what you want. But you have to look very closely for the signs that show he is interested, because it's subtle. Really fucking subtle. And you will have to make the first move. Don't expect a Finnish guy to call you or ask you out, he won't, even if he really wants to. With the exception of the times when he is drunk, it is 4 in the morning, and you're asleep.
Tips for the date
All Scandinavia is an equal society and everyone pays their own way. The men will buy a drink or two for the girls, but at a dinner, everyone pays their fair share. The women wouldn't have it any other way.Finns are punctual, a 2 minute delay to them is late, but they are also very patient and well-tempered. And unlike Germany (with the exception of Bavaria, as I have realized) some rules can be broken if it makes everyone happier, or if it makes sense. He will tell you to hurry up, and you should, but nobody will get angry as long as you inform in advance.
A Finn will not hit on you, even when he is really drunk, and even then he might not do so. So if at the end of the date, you would want something more, you have to make it obvious. You know how all French men assume you would sleep with them if you go out on a date? Finns are the exact opposite. The only time he will hit on you is when you are in his bedroom. And even then.
If however you do not make it to that stage, he will give you a detailed description of the most optimal route you should take to get home, along with details of the length of time you will take to walk it. On weekends, this would be a description of the night bus, and he will find out the time table for you on his blackberry.
What you should know about Finland
Finns love their country and they know a lot of contemporary details about it (especially concerning Formula One racing), but not a great deal of historical stuff. The first thing I learnt about Finland after Nokia was what a fantastic guy Kimi Räikkönen was, this was accompanied by You Tube videos of the guy falling off the roof of his yacht drunk on champagne. The second thing is that the landscape is all lakes and that it is the country that is the world's top supplier of ice-breakers.In all of Scandinavia, the sale of alcohol is controlled by the state and you can only purchase hard liquor outside bars at the Alko store, but beer and long drinks (a Finnish invention) are sold at supermarkets. No alcohol is sold after nine, and the Alko is closed on weekends.
Impressing his mother
Finnish moms are cool. They ride motorbikes, cook good food and drink beer. It's an egalitarian society, an on top of that, most Scandinavians don't understand racism. People are people whatever the age, or colour, and you'll be treated like a friend and offered lots of beer.Finnish girl competition
You're more likely to make friends with one than compete. All the girls will end up hanging around together complaining about how the men never talk, and how to get them to talk. Most likely, all the chicks will gang up to try and get the guys drunk faster. The girls are all feminized (Finland after all has the 2nd female president after New Zealand) and there is a genuine feeling of 'Hey sister' vibe when you hang out.When you want him to go away.
Finns are practical, and they know it when something is not right. You don't have to do anything, in fact nothing needs to be said. The right solution will happen. Finns think everyone else is talking too much about how they feel and they feel this is unnecessary. Why say something or ask questions to something that is already apparent? In Finland, many things happen without a lot of words being said.
39 comments:
My bf is finnish and I totally agree with what you wrote! If I read what you wrote earlier, it might just make me understand him more better:)
Thanks very much for your very entertaining comments and description of dating Finnish men. It's just what I was looking for, as I am just entering the fray! ;-)
This is for 1000% true. I can assure you that. Finnish men are to be trusted 100% but they don't talk...and at the end of the day... you are going to feel lonely, left alone... and you will probably leave your Finnish boyfriend in a couple of years. Sad but true.
I'm a finnish girl (with an african guy...why am l commenting on an article about dating finnish men... :,D) and l have to agree with most of the things you pointed out.
I have to say that the guys who haven't so straightly approached you, let's say after bar, most likely have tried to hold back not to seem like wanting only sex- a guy who does that want's to show that hes boyfriend material, not a player. :P
Second to be accurate, almost 80% of our popularity are christians. Some finns have bad attitude towards other religions, and l'm afraid that same goes to foreigners in general. Racism isn't all that rare here- especially black people can receive really poor treatment. Often young, jobless men with low education are the ones complaining how foreigners "steal their jobs and women", which is quite ridiculous.
Roughly said, if you want a finnish guy, an uneducated and jobless is more likely to drink much, depress and be racistic than someone with good education. Everyone in Finland gets excellent chances in choosing a career. That's why l'd say it is alarming to choose a guy without education: theyve never had ambition to plan their lives nor to have career.
What does it mean by Finnish, since this terminology is new to me. If some one can explain me about this terminology will be highly appreciative. Is that some thing related to gays?
Love the way you have presented the post with us.
Gays
I was reading your post regarding the party girl and It seems to be very interesting and informative for me. I would like to appreciate you for sharing such an exclusive post with us.
no comment. i'm finnish too.
I just discovered your blog with this post ! You're awsomely funny ! I'm gonna read this all night long, I can feel it !
Bye from French girl !
Here's a comment from another side of the spectrum because I feel that this doesn't really apply to Finnish men in general. I know a handful of Finnish men and they talk A LOT the first time we knew each other and now we became really good friends. Maybe they just find you.... sorry to say this, boring? To me, Finns are the warmest people I've ever met.
My husband is a Finn and I am not. I am Welsh and French...so we just do not understand one another very well at all! I have been waiting for over 27 years for the dude to loosen up...for God's sake! Finnish men are a conundrum...he proposed to me naked and in bed...no romantic going down on one knee. signed --a hanninen
Thanks for posting this! It was a good laugh. :)
I met a Finnish man around my age about 4 months ago, and he acts a lot like what you described. Although he "noticed" me first, I had to approach him. He's extremely reserved, and it almost takes pliers to get something a little personal out of him...
BUT, he's extremely considerate and nice. He's incredibly smart (WAY more smart than I am), but he doesn't hold that against me at all. He has a wonderful sense of humor, although he is definitely the serious type.
Though it is a little exhausting trying to "deepen" our friendship, it's been worth is so far. I'm sure your post will help me understand him a little more. Again, thank you!
Oh, yes, and I'd like to add: His name is Lauri. Hahaha!
Thank younger this
I have just started dating a Finnish guy and he is so "distant" most of the time! Our phone conversations are very silent at times haha
I have been feeling lonely and confused by his quiet and unemotional nature so it helps to read your information
Your very right on the subject of Finnish men.They also behave much the same amonst other men.Something to do with very low self esteem
very good content!!
wow... this is very insightful and witty at the same time. I really enjoyed reading this. I hope you can write one about Berlin Men? If you ever travel there.
My experience with a Finnish, was that he invited me for a weekend trip, treated me to everything, was expressive, but still Finnish in the ways of ( having more silent moments than others... getting drunk to almost comatose amongst others...) so maybe this one was a more evolved one? or global? .... but I will definitely take ur insights into account!! Safe travels!!
I'm a Finnish girl and I don't find Finnish men so reserved.. In my opinion, if he likes you, you'll notice. And vice versa. Finnish men don't play games, they say what they think. Or if they don't have the guts to say it to your face, they'll ask for your number and tell it in SMS. And when a Finn tells you something, he probably means it. It's not just small talk and empty words. I never made the first move with guys in here, and I never had to wait for a call if a guy liked me. But maybe they're more shy with foreign girls, go figure..
I agree with the last comment. Finnish guys open up to Finnish girls, not to foreigners. Also to girls who relate to them, who are interesting and like their companionship. If you are a foreigner who expects him to "WOW" you in a second, then a Finnish guy is not for you. Finnish guys really just don't want to open up themselves to someone they know deep inside they will never commit to. And if they do open up about their feelings, it means they are really interested in you. So no need to hate Finnish guys, they are just a different breed of men. And a lot of them are HOT. So if you are one of the girls not pleased with Finnish guys, do as you please, I'm sticking with my own kind ;)
i have been with my finnish guy for 3 years or so now, im welsh and like to chat ... and he is TOOOOOOO DAMN QUIET! it does get lonely, and i end up talking to myself a lot, but i love him loads!!! i came across this you wrote just to confirm again... that this is normal for finnish guys to act this way .. and its not me being paranoid..... my man dont say much.. but i know that when he does he means it... xxx oh and his name is janne rofl.. off ur list!!! (i also sent him this link so he could read it lol)
Superb blog. You have shared knowledge here Girl ! :)
Been to Finland a few times (I was dating a gorgeous Finnish girl) and you've got it spot on. Especially the bit about the answer appearing 20 minutes downstream of the original question. Finland is a Kaurismäki film set, and the population are the actors!
Brendan in Amsterdam
Just knew this Finnish men for about 2 months, but I feel like I already trusted him 1000%.. You're right about them being shy, but my men is pretty talkative n we had great chemistry on the first time we met, weird?? And I'm Asian by the way.. Not yet see him drunk,just have some wine on the weekend, but it's kindda difficult to imagine him being drunk since he is a self cautious (he's an auditor).. Looking forward to where this goin to be, but really hope he's the One :P
You have a good content. Good Job!
Hilarious and true. I would say your descriptions indeed fits my awesome finnish guy. So quite, reserved but observant. Seldom say things but when he says it - it goes to the bones. :) Very open but will never start a conversation. But he can say hi! :) Post more...
k, so i'm a finnish-swedish girl (google it) and i'm just kinda pissed off when you make it sound like ALL finnish men are like that. cause they're not. sure, i spend more time with finnish-swedish people, and we're more social and outgoing than regular finns, but still. and not that i care that much about your post, but i'm bored ;) just want to get a few things clear; we DON'T take everything seriously, we do answer questions rather quickly if not even without thinking, maybe they you've talked to are bad at english.. and not all finnish drivers are that great. no we speed alot and fool aroud. and we do cross the road, even when its a red light. no our government is not rich and there's plenty of homeless and poor ppl. and you can hook up with a guy quite easily, they hit on you, they do make the 1st move sometimes and many of them do want a one night stand, but sure drinking prob makes it easier for SOME of them. haha could agree with an earlier comment, they're probably not that into you ;) sadly there are many racist finns, and girls can be very bitchy. it's kinda sad that you've got such a picture of finnish people.. i bet you've only met the most boring ones. if not, you should pay a visit where the finnish-swedish people are.
would b fun with a response ;)
HI
I AM AMERICAN GIRL AND MY BOYFRIEND OF ONE YEAR IS FINNISH. WE GET ALONG VERY WELL AND I DO APPRECIATE HIS INTELLECT.
HAVING SAID THIS I AM WONDERING WHAT KIND OF HUSBANDS THEY MAKE. I HAVE READ FINNISH MEN ARE TIGHT WITH MONEY ETC..AND THEY DRINK TOO MUCH.
ANY INSIGHTS INTO LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH A FINNISH MAN WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU.
Yes, that's us, Finnish men.
Interesting article. Im a bit troubled, there's this guy, finnish ofcourse, and we are in the same university group for two years now. I had a boyfriend and we were only friends till than, but when I broke up, I started joking that I like him etc... now, I have a huge crush on him but he is indeed always quiet, and I dont know what to do.... it really seems I have to make the first step, but how.. is it just a matter of time?> I really hope. He is extremely sweet and funny and honest, but extremely silent as well. HELP ME!!!!!
whooo!!! i love this article about finnish men . i was dating one and he broke up with me just because i was a wanted some atention , he thinks that finnish women are too dificult , hey what do you know ,i found out that they are the dificult . i have to say this but can do many thing right but in bed oh they are terrible.
Ha ha, this is so true about the Finnish men. Unfortunately! I was interested in a Finnish guy for a while, but he made clear that he NEVER asks ANYONE out (what the....?), and seems to be perfectly content being on his own. He's a lovely guy, but I don't imagine it would be easy being in a relationship with someone so insular.
My Finnish man from Turku, took off with my $25,000 probably never to hear from him again. This was after an 8 month relationship. And up to that point the writer was spot on with his typical Finnish quirks..spot on! Wish there was some way to get back at him!
for anyone reading this post and lives in Turku...can you please tell me if this is a true residential address..Eerikin Katu 8,20100 and if a Timothy Flowers lives there...just doing some detective work.
It is very hard to say that you would make it or not because it depends upon you. So batter start practicing
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Thanks for your helpful and humourous observations. I'm a gal from Singapore and have just gone out on a first date with a Finnish man who comes here a few times a year to work. Reflecting on the date, I felt the guy was just withdrawn and cautious like some north European men - I don't mean to generalise. His emails and sms-es were so to the point.But there was warmth to him and certainly at times, good humour. Reading your article and the comments on this page, I realise that this Finnish man has really put in effort to be sociable especially as our date was straight after his word. But I also found myself often being the one to work at making the conversation flow. I think if anything is to come out of this, the Asian woman must be very patient :)
Hei! I met a Finnish guy last week and he approached me first. He told me so many nice things you wouldn't expect from a Finnish guy. I actually really believed what he said as he was quite "emotional" and he almost said he loved me, but he said he's better shut up (Finnish self-esteem I guess). I think I lost my heart to him but he is not contacting me. So far it was me who contacted him but it takes him so long to answer. Is there any Finnish men who can tell me why you are so shy and not contacting women you are interested in?
It's really difficult to understand these lovely Finnish men ;)
I went on two dates with a Finnish man and both dates were warm with great conversation (3+ hours) each time. The first date ended abruptly because we both needed to catch our trains. We shook hands in greeting but touched no other time. We had amazing eye contact. I had to look away sometimes because it was intense. The second date started with a hug initiated by him and it lasted a second or two too long past the 'friendly' time. I wanted it to continue forever. We ended our date with a walk and drinks and he seemed reluctant to leave, and we both stood there a little awkwardly. Perhaps I needed to show him more that a goodnight kiss would have been welcomed? Perhaps on date 3, if there is one...
He is quiet, reserved and uses words sparingly. I am loud, open and talk a lot. I make him laugh. He finds me funny. I find him frustrating when he will open up,but only so far. I also find him to be one of the most amazing men I've met.
Here is my question: HOW CAN YOU TELL IF A FINNISH MAN IS INTERESTED?
About the stereotype of unemployed Finnish guys. An ambition for a career tells nothing about ambition for things in life in general. It can be a different world out here in Finland. Just to be sure though it's better to find the guys who are not so much into alcohol or dope. They are fewer, but they exist. Of course these types are not necessarily recommended for the rat race type of women or men ;)
In general I can warmly recommend anyone dating a Finnish guy (or anyone else with a different cultural background that has culture shock elements) to read some very basic intercultural studies and/or cultural anthropology, or study them at school if possible. This will help you a lot psychologically and help you to create a more loving relationship. Best of luck to you all!
- Classic Finnish guy
Gr eat in-depth look at Finnish men
I have lived in Finland for 23 years as a British Expat and agree with your summary
A lcohol loosens Finnish men`s tongues.You are correct about the Finnish women trying to spurn the Finnish men to talk more.
I do believe it is changing,albeit slowly.Maybe as the younger generation matures their tongues will loosen
I have actually met Finnish women with their partners,but they would not open up.I ended up dating two of them,and the Finnish man did not care as we are freinds today
Strange situation to be in as a foreigner
Good post!
Greg
I should have read this earlier. I only know one Finnish guy and I met him at a work conference. One thing led to another (with the influence of alcohol, of course) and I ended up sleeping with him.
He was really awesome but I must agree with your views. He is stoic, quiet, measured, alert, a little shy and so considerate. When he is angry or upset, he withdraws and refuses to talk. But the one thing I really love about him is that he is super smart, hard working and responsible.
Unlike French or Americans or British guys who seems to be everywhere in Singapore, a Finn is rather rare. Glad to know one :-)
I can't stop laughing! i love this post. I actually know a finnish guy and this is so spot on! He's not much of a drinker though cause he easily gets drunk. He's really smart and has a great sense of humor. I really like him and he flirts with me. I want to have a relationship with him but i don't know how to make the first move xD. I'm asian btw, which means girls don't usually make the first move. Oh well, i guess we'll just be flirty friends :D
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